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andyb

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That was a close one...
« on: September 14, 2008, 21:43:02 »
I'd flown my new Osmose 70 a couple of times this morning (post on its way when I get round to taking some pictures) and hadn't noticed anything unusual. On the third flight of the day (fifth flight ever), it was fuelled and started as normal. There was some vibration when starting but I put it down to my useless cheapo starter which is on it's last legs and only works when it feels like it. I'd promised to let Mike H have a go with the sticks so took off climbed to altitude, handed him the Tx and left him to it.

Within about a minute, however, Mike said "there's something wrong with the engine". And there was - it sounded odd, as though it was nipping up and then freeing off over and over again. Initial thoughts were that it was running lean (the needle had been closed about 3 notches because it was running slightly rich on previous flights) but the O.S. 70 FL is a ringless engine so doesn't want to be too rich, and three notches shouldn't have made that much difference.

Mike handed it back so that I could do a low pass to see what was what, I closed the throttle on the descent and the engine stopped. Fair enough, deadstick landing.

When it was finally recovered from the patch, the reason for this bad behavior became painfully obvious; the engine was loose, and was hanging on by one 3mm bolt, this in spite of being fitted with anti-vibration washers, so I was quite surprised. Another few minutes and we'd have been sweeping up a pile of wreckage.

The bolt holes had been tapped with a 3mm second tap in a nylon engine mount, so they will tend to tighten up towards the bottom of the thread and are usually quite tight. I've never had them come loose before with a 2-stroke, but this is my first four-stroke.

The moral of the story is that anti-vibration washers - apparently - don't always work. I've bolted everything back in place with some slightly longer bolts and locked them with some 3mm nyloc nuts. There doesn't appear to be any engine damage, but we'll see the next time it's started. I might have got away with it...

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Re: That was a close one...
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2008, 21:56:29 »
Phew that was close :thumbsup:

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Re: That was a close one...
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2008, 22:02:39 »
A lucky escape. It does make you wonder what the effect of such vibrations is on the rest of the airframe and radio kit. I'd be very surprised if the nyloc washes come loose. Loctite threadlocker is also a useful product for small grub screws, nuts & bolts etc, on both glow and electric models.

Looking forward to seeing some photos of the Osmose 70 - I have a soft spot for pattern ships / F3A type models.

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« Last Edit: September 14, 2008, 22:05:28 by Russ »
Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

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Re: That was a close one...
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2008, 23:28:41 »
Vibrations...? What's that...? My smooooth electric motors NEVER vibrate loose...

But, you KNEW I was going to say that, didn't you!?

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Re: That was a close one...
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2008, 01:27:38 »
Andy,
Glad to hear you got your plane back in one piece.

I have had some encounters with vibration induced screw removal. 
I have a SIG “Little Rascal” Wonderful 1/2A aircraft that is equipped with a Norvel .074 I had 20 hours+ on this airframe when I noticed the power available start to slump, at first I thought nothing of it, after refueling it & applying the starter I noticed the motor was loose.  I was vacationing & it became a real headache, as the fuel migrated into the threads of the screws and acted like a lubricant & aided in the further loosening of the screws.
I flew the model for another week & found myself tightening the screws after every flight
I was using wood/sheet metal screws at the time (no nuts) per the included parts in the kit; I later changed them to screws with nylock nuts.


SIDE NOTE
A balanced prop will help ALLOT, not only with fasteners but it also frees up allot of power. An unbalanced prop/motor combo transfers energy that would otherwise be used as thrust to the airframe.

THE CLUE
A clue that you have a fastener/vibration/mechanical failure issue is “a sudden or subtle loss in power”

Last year I was flying a friend’s electric amphibian while on vacation & it started to loose power, dummy me thought oh… the battery is just getting low…So I landed it & we put a fresh battery in it… WRONG… The motor fell off soon after it got airborne. I managed to land the plane but the engine cowl sank to Davy Jones’s locker.

Hopefully this will be of some help to someone

Dave
« Last Edit: September 15, 2008, 02:10:16 by Dave »